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    ISLIP TERRACE, N.Y. -- Police say a man lighting fireworks has blown off his arm at a party on New York's Long Island.

    Suffolk County police say 36-year-old Eric Smith was using a 3-foot long metal tube to shoot mortars from the street near his Islip (EYE'-slip) Terrace home around 5:45 p.m. Saturday.
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    Another victory for the total ban of fireworks.
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    First of all he was shooting WHAT out of a 3 FOOT METAL mortar

    Second if he was leaning over the tube while lighting it, he deserves it. Not trying to sound mean or uncompassionate, BUT c'mon.

    Way to F it up for the rest of us !!
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    3 foot long medal tube?? wtf was it? Leaning over it? sounds like he was trying to plug it with is arm, probably drunk. So the story should go "another accident involving alcohol where man loses arm"

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    I am having a hard time believing a 1.75 or 2" artillery shell could sever off an arm.
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    Well maybe if he fell onto the pipe and impaled his arm... first of all why use a 3' long mortar (makes the story a little suspect)... Second, why lean over it?? unless you are drunk and cant stand up straight there is no excuse, and if option #1 is the case, PUT IT DOWN!!!
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    There is no way any consumer shell can sever your entire freakin' arm. Metal mortar in NY = 1.3G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SINYpyro View Post
    There is no way any consumer shell can sever your entire freakin' arm. Metal mortar in NY = 1.3G.
    No shit right, seems a pretty safe bet that this was something 1.3, with a QM leader that vanished after he lit it while he stood there looking at it. All of us know 1.3 stuff finds it's way into private hands somehow because of dumb asses like this guy, I'll bet the guy that sold it to him is wondering if they rolled over on him. It was broad daylight when this happened, I bet it was a salute.
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    I assume 1.3g items in NY is somewhat common. Living in FL, we get all kinds of transplants living around here. I stopped counting the number of times people have asked me this year alone if I was going to shoot any "real fireworks.... the ones that come with the big metal tube and mortars" (they call the shells mortars) "thats what we used to get in NY".
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    He was probably(WTF am i saying!! obviously!!!)drunk, and he was...........LEANING OVER THE TUBE!?!??!?

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    Just another idiot making harder for the rest of us. It's all over the news now and all the NY papers on the websites. WCBS 880 prefaces the report with "this is why fireworks are illegal and should be left to the professionals." Bloomberg must be orgasming in his pants right now.

    Jeez I hate stupid people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SINYpyro View Post
    There is no way any consumer shell can sever your entire freakin' arm. Metal mortar in NY = 1.3G.
    "I'm just due north of that fool (in Kings Park). At 5:45 pm, he was attempting to light a 5 inch chinese shell. We all know how quick thoes fuses are. Why he was doing this when the sun was up is beyond me, let alone looking over the tube. The suffolk county cops said thet he had his shoulder in the way and the shell tore it right off. This certainly doesn't help our cause. Score one for the other side. This is beyond stupidity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SINYpyro View Post
    There is no way any consumer shell can sever your entire freakin' arm. Metal mortar in NY = 1.3G.
    when i heard about that i figured it was some sort of proffessional shell because although ive never lit off a shell to my knowledge the consumer ones wouldnt do that and they are meant to be lit with the fuse hanging outside so why would his arm be hit ?

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    the following line in the story tells us that it's a 1.3 shell, not a 1.4...

    Police believe he leaned over the device to ignite it and didn't get out of the way before an explosive shot out of the launcher.
    yet you'll notice a shocking lack of this information in the story.
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    Gee I wonder if he was heard saying, "Can I get another beer while I light this thing".

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    I went to school with this guy, he graduated a year ahead of me, it was a 4" mortar. Wreckless or not, accidents do happen. To say that "he deserved it" or "thanks for ruining it for us" is just moronic. With or without accidents, I belieive fireworks will always be frowed upon in certain states, regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokaplaya22 View Post
    I went to school with this guy, he graduated a year ahead of me, it was a 4" mortar. Wreckless or not, accidents do happen. To say that "he deserved it" or "thanks for ruining it for us" is just moronic. With or without accidents, I belieive fireworks will always be frowed upon in certain states, regardless.
    What's moronic is hand lighting a 4" shell. What's moronic is possessing a 4" shell when you have no business possessing it. What's moronic is putting the lives of everyone in danger. I stand by my original comments.

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    Now its Horrible that he lost an arm in this but,what he was doing was plain stupid and Now unfortunately this is going too give more power to those who want too get fireworks baned Completely and this is going too make it even harder for those in N.Y. too get fireworks Legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokaplaya22 View Post
    I went to school with this guy, he graduated a year ahead of me, it was a 4" mortar. Wreckless or not, accidents do happen. To say that "he deserved it" or "thanks for ruining it for us" is just moronic. With or without accidents, I belieive fireworks will always be frowed upon in certain states, regardless.
    Obviously he graduated in the bottom of his class. Light a 4" mortar by the fuse it comes with, and stand over it when it fires? At least tape up a 10s leader of fuse or something to it so you have time to get clear. He's lucky he didn't kill anyone. Idiot is putting it lightly.... With the hundreds of thousands of shells that go up in my town, in a fireworks UNFRIENDLY state, I have never heard of a single injury as a result. This, with a TON of people firing 1.3G fireworks(salutes are only 1.3G, right?). A little caution and common sense go a long way.

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    Of all places it hapened to be the NE where this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro Nut View Post
    Gee I wonder if he was heard saying, "Can I get another beer while I light this thing".

    People just don't get it!
    LOL XD, He must have asked for a bottle of bacardi, a cup of that stuff gets people drunk.....very drunk....

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    The only way your going to stop this kind of crap is to nail the dumass who sold it to them with a heavy prison term-your know like hurting a road worker(It's a hell of a lot worse in this case). The clown who had his arm ripped off just wanted to beat the neighbors firework display-he did, they will always remember this night.

    Don't make it harder for the 99.99% enjoying themselves on our national holiday, hopefully they can find out the jerk who sold this to him.

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    He made a mistake and it cost him his arm. This man has a long hard road ahead so please pray for him.




    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMouse View Post
    What's moronic is hand lighting a 4" shell. What's moronic is possessing a 4" shell when you have no business possessing it. What's moronic is putting the lives of everyone in danger. I stand by my original comments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokaplaya22 View Post
    I went to school with this guy, he graduated a year ahead of me, it was a 4" mortar. Wreckless or not, accidents do happen. To say that "he deserved it" or "thanks for ruining it for us" is just moronic. With or without accidents, I belieive fireworks will always be frowed upon in certain states, regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMouse View Post
    What's moronic is hand lighting a 4" shell. What's moronic is possessing a 4" shell when you have no business possessing it. What's moronic is putting the lives of everyone in danger. I stand by my original comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrohobie View Post
    The only way your going to stop this kind of crap is to nail the dumass who sold it to them with a heavy prison term-your know like hurting a road worker(It's a hell of a lot worse in this case). The clown who had his arm ripped off just wanted to beat the neighbors firework display-he did, they will always remember this night.

    Don't make it harder for the 99.99% enjoying themselves on our national holiday, hopefully they can find out the jerk who sold this to him.
    Exactly. I am sure this guy had more product that can be traced to a source. I don't think anyone should lose an arm for being an idiot, very unfortunate. The supplier should have some accountability in this case.

    As for handlighting 4" and 5" shells, with the proper equipment and training that is not a problem. There is plenty of time built into the safety fuse to get away. My guess is that if he was using a "3 foot mortar" he was having to light and drop the shell because the leader was too short to come out of the tube. He probably hit the paper instead of the black safety fuse and had no time to drop the shell. Once again, a little education, some common sense, and a clear head is always a plus.
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    Lighting off these shells are dangerous enough when someone has proper training. For some one to be able to get ahold of an item they do not know how to handle will always be bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRMPyro View Post
    As for handlighting 4" and 5" shells, with the proper equipment and training that is not a problem.
    even with the proper equipment and training, people get hurt handlighting 1.3 all the time. not everytime obviously, but more than necessary when the e-fire option exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by TRMPyro View Post
    There is plenty of time built into the safety fuse to get away.
    yes and no.

    if it's a 1.3 shell from a box then it should still have it's fuse.

    then again most 1.3 shells in the hands of people who shouldn't have them got there after the saftey fuse was ripped off and they all have these mysterious black streaks on the sides and fuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by TRMPyro View Post
    My guess is that if he was using a "3 foot mortar" he was having to light and drop the shell because the leader was too short to come out of the tube. He probably hit the paper instead of the black safety fuse and had no time to drop the shell. Once again, a little education, some common sense, and a clear head is always a plus.
    honestly i can't tell you how many people told me about how "crazy fast that fuse was on that shell" that they got from some trunk salesman...

    many times you get people who sell shells that have had the fuse pulled to get them prepped for a show. the average person doesn't know about QM vs visco, and most of the time there is only a few inches of BM exposed.

    that short nub of BM catches fire and it's only a second or so and that shell is coming out of the gun. sometimes it's instantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokaplaya22 View Post
    I do too
    Not saying the guy was or was not at fault-that is not the issue

    The guy selling to this individual WAS at fault because this guy didn't have a federal license--plain and simple.

    Did he know how to use this---No

    1.3 now are safer than ever was before, with ematch connectors and or safety fuse(not BM)/professional pyrotechnitions have fewer accidents-----But they do happen.

    Selling consumers display fireworks is the problem here-someone is making some good profit.

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    Default Man Blows Arm Off: NOT An Argument Against Consumer Fireworks

    Commenters on a previous PyroUniverse thread were helpful to me in producing this report for The American Spectator:

    The Internet was abuzz Monday with the news that a Long Island, N.Y., resident lost his arm in a Fourth of July fireworks mishap:

    Grim-faced relatives yesterday told a critically injured Long Island dad that doctors wouldn't be able to reattach his left arm -- which he had blown off with illegal fireworks. . . .
    Smith had been trying to shoot one of the explosives from a makeshift launcher in front of his Fairview Avenue home in Islip Terrace shortly before 6 p.m. Saturday when it fired into his shoulder, authorities said. . . .
    To anyone familiar with fireworks, the key phrase there is "makeshift launcher." Another story clarifies the situation slightly:

    A man blew his left arm off after illegally using fireworks Saturday evening in Islip Terrace, Suffolk County police said. Eric Smith, 36, was shooting mortars out of a three-foot-long metal tube . . .
    This story caught my attention because, as the world's greatest pyro-dad, I've shot thousands of consumer fireworks mortar shells, which are no more than 1.75 inches in diameter and certainly not powerful enough to blow off anyone's arm. The launch tubes are usually 12 inches but at most 15 inches long, and are made of either fiberglass, heavy-duty cardboard or, ideally, high-density polyethylene (HDPE).

    So this detail about a man being critically injured while firing a shell from a "three-foot-long metal tube" aroused my suspicion, and I was not alone. At the PyroUniverse forum -- a favorite site for fireworks buffs, both amateur and professional -- the "shocking lack of . . . information" in press accounts was noted, and one of the contributors reported:

    I went to school with this guy, he graduated a year ahead of me, it was a 4" mortar.
    Which is to say that it was a professional-grade shell, classified as a "1.3G" explosive, the possession of which by a non-licensed person is a federal crime. Because New York prohibits consumer fireworks (classified as "1.4G") press descriptions of Smith as using "illegal" fireworks might have left readers with a mistaken impression.

    The failure of reporters to make such distinctions are typical of how the press routinely misrepresents fireworks safety issues. While complete data on fireworks-related injuries are unavailable, there is evidence that banning consumer fireworks actually increases risk. Some injuries occur when individuals (usually in states that prohibit consumer fireworks) attempt to rig up their own homemade devices, as happened Sunday near Seattle:

    A 64-year-old SeaTac man was sent to Harborview Medical Center with critical injuries on Sunday after being hurt by exploding homemade fireworks, according to the King County Sheriff's office.
    A 52-year-old man who lived in the same house as the victim had built a homemade "aerial device" by tying together a bundle of sparklers. The man put the device inside a concrete cinder block to brace it, sheriff's deputies said.
    But the homemade rocket "exploded in place, sending pieces of the concrete block in all directions," the sheriff's office said. The victim was standing about 15 feet to 20 feet away and was hit in the head by a chunk of the concrete block. His injury was life-threatening, according the sheriff's department.
    Another risk that may result from banning consumer fireworks, as illustrated by the Long Island incident, is that people may resort to obtaining illegal access to professional fireworks on the black market. (Friends tell me that this especially seems to be a problem in New York, for some reason. This may be related to corruption in New York's heavily unionized transportation sector: "It fell off the truck.")

    Used as intended and with common-sense precautions, consumer fireworks are in fact safer than your backyard barbecue, as I reported four years ago for Reason magazine:

    In recent years, sales of consumer fireworks have skyrocketed, even as injury rates have fizzled.
    According to federal data compiled by the American Pyrotechnics Association (APA), while U.S. fireworks sales increased roughly eight-fold from 1976 to 2004—from 29 million pounds to over 236 million pounds per year—estimates of annual fireworks-related injuries decreased from 11,100 in 1976 to 9,600 in 2004.
    Fireworks injuries are relatively rare, accounting for an estimated 0.01 percent of annual U.S. injuries, according to an APA analysis which found that injuries from cooking ranges are four times as common as fireworks injuries. . . .
    The title of that article is the best possible safety advice, found on the label of every consumer fireworks item sold in the United States: "Light Fuse, Get Away."
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    Just filed a report about this incident for The American Spectator, and linked at a new forum thread.
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