Phantom Reviews A JOKE

Mikeee · June 13th, 2007, 04:58 PM

I wrote a whole handfull of reviews some good and some not so good and let me tell you everyone which wasnt good was not posted. I even went out of my way to give it the nicest negitive review I could and to no luck. I guess they dont want your negitive input just positive.

RPS · June 13th, 2007, 05:06 PM

Yes, others have noted this as well, Phantom almost never posts anything less than a 4 star review. A couple times I've amused myself by looking for bad reviews, a couple 1 star reviews must have snuck through for these ones:

http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=370
http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=322

D1swfl · June 13th, 2007, 07:16 PM

Phantom may be a lot of things, but they are not stupid. They throw in a handful of not so great reviews so they will have something to fall back on if someone accuses them of never posting a negative comment.

You can't honestly expect them to post many negative comments about the products they make a living on. That would be as senseless as naming a business "We'll Steal Your Cash Auto's" or "Taste Like Crap Ice Cream".

I have very little use for Phantom, but I have to respect their business model and marketing methods.

jeff wilson · June 13th, 2007, 07:24 PM

Both of those bad reviews are on the big tube items that are on the way out, in a few years those will be a thing of the past.

Phantom does not have much to loose by posting bad reviews of those.
The do as someone pointed out gain the fact that they DO post some bad reviews.

They should post the bad along with the good.
I tell everyone that the items like Large Happy and other generic items are no good but I still sell lots of them.
Some people buy them because they actually like them and others buy them because they have shot one of those every year that they can remember.

pyro29 · June 13th, 2007, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff wilson

Both of those bad reviews are on the big tube items that are on the way out, in a few years those will be a thing of the past.

Phantom does not have much to loose by posting bad reviews of those.
The do as someone pointed out gain the fact that they DO post some bad reviews.

They should post the bad along with the good.
I tell everyone that the items like Large Happy and other generic items are no good but I still sell lots of them.
Some people buy them because they actually like them and others buy them because they have shot one of those every year that they can remember.

Big tube items are on the way out? Just for Phantom or for everyone? I'm curious as this si the first I've heard of it...

jeff wilson · June 13th, 2007, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pyro29

Big tube items are on the way out? Just for Phantom or for everyone? I'm curious as this si the first I've heard of it...

That is more my opinion than anything but look at the writing on the wall.
They were in their heyday before big cakes were around.
I used to sell a few because people would ask for them.
Now no one wants them.

Look at catalogs from the 90's and you will see tons of them.
Look now and you will see very few, some places do not sell anything over a #500 anymore.

RPS · June 13th, 2007, 08:03 PM

It is hard to blame them for not posting bad reviews, that is the inevitable conflict of interest when they are both the manufacturer and the seller. Most computar part sellers are just middlemen, so they have real reviews that are positive and negative, they don't have as much to lose by being honest if they carry a better product as well. Phantom on the other hand doesn't want anything negative, but then they aren't reviews, they are endorsements. But that's just me being an idealist...

It does seem that big tube items are going away, they are less common in the stands etc than I remember them when I was young. Black Cat and Phantom still make them, but many newer/high quality companies like Brothers, Winda, World Class, etc don't make them at all. I'll be happy to see those deceptive POSs go away...

RudyG · June 13th, 2007, 09:45 PM

I was talking to a manager of one of the Phantom stores last week. He said that they don't make that much money selling the tubes. He said it was one of the reasons that the Grucci #200, and #300's are only sold as an assortment now.

skiguy7070 · June 13th, 2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by D1swfl

I have very little use for Phantom, but I have to respect their business model and marketing methods.

I have to agree with you there. I know we all sit on here and complain of their prices, but hell, it's working, isn't it? It's a sad reality that people go in there after the BOGOF is over and spend a lot of money on sub-par items (not that phantom is all sub-par items, there's definitely some good stuff), but there will always be those people buying smoke assortments at Kmart, and there always be people buying bad items and not knowing any better. That's why we're here, and all we can do is keep this community alive and try to educate those seeking advice and more knowledge on this great (yet expensive

) art/hobby of pyrotechnics.

pyro_casper_13 · June 16th, 2007, 07:07 PM

The only way they will post a bad review is it you recommend another phantom item in the bad review. like this "this item isnt good at all i didnt like it i would rather much stick to the wolf pack shell"

RPS · June 16th, 2007, 08:22 PM

I wonder if you could sneak something through by giving it a 5 star rating, then in the comments saying it sucks?

r1dermon · June 18th, 2007, 01:31 PM

no, because i gave silver salutes a 5 star and then said that excals were better...never got posted...

pyro_casper_13 · June 18th, 2007, 06:25 PM

If you say something is better, it has to be something they sell.

June 18th, 2007, 07:29 PM

Actually, I am agreeing here.

Because after reviewing Silver Sonic Warheads with lowest rating nothing was posting.

Spider-Pyro · June 18th, 2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by r1dermon

no, because i gave silver salutes a 5 star and then said that excals were better...never got posted...

The reason it never got psoted was beacsue that was a stupid comparison. The fact that you have to compare SS to excals for them to suck says alot.

kgb · June 18th, 2007, 08:36 PM

I noticed that Bob Weaver has a few reviews on Phantom's website.

His reviews always start off with Outstanding!!

I wonder if he's ever submitted any bad reviews.He probably has but the purple ghost squashed them.

RPS · June 18th, 2007, 09:20 PM

Yeah, I trust his independent reviews, but when you work for somebody else, you can't exactly be honest... Too bad, because he knows his stuff.

June 13th, 2007, 04:58 PM	#1
Mikeee Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 63	Phantom Reviews A JOKE I wrote a whole handfull of reviews some good and some not so good and let me tell you everyone which wasnt good was not posted. I even went out of my way to give it the nicest negitive review I could and to no luck. I guess they dont want your negitive input just positive.

June 13th, 2007, 07:24 PM	#4
jeff wilson Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,194	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE Both of those bad reviews are on the big tube items that are on the way out, in a few years those will be a thing of the past. Phantom does not have much to loose by posting bad reviews of those. The do as someone pointed out gain the fact that they DO post some bad reviews. They should post the bad along with the good. I tell everyone that the items like Large Happy and other generic items are no good but I still sell lots of them. Some people buy them because they actually like them and others buy them because they have shot one of those every year that they can remember.

June 13th, 2007, 08:03 PM	#7
RPS Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WA Posts: 1,830	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE It is hard to blame them for not posting bad reviews, that is the inevitable conflict of interest when they are both the manufacturer and the seller. Most computar part sellers are just middlemen, so they have real reviews that are positive and negative, they don't have as much to lose by being honest if they carry a better product as well. Phantom on the other hand doesn't want anything negative, but then they aren't reviews, they are endorsements. But that's just me being an idealist... It does seem that big tube items are going away, they are less common in the stands etc than I remember them when I was young. Black Cat and Phantom still make them, but many newer/high quality companies like Brothers, Winda, World Class, etc don't make them at all. I'll be happy to see those deceptive POSs go away... __________________ My random fireworks blog: http://amnt.vox.com/

June 13th, 2007, 09:45 PM	#8
RudyG Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,916	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE I was talking to a manager of one of the Phantom stores last week. He said that they don't make that much money selling the tubes. He said it was one of the reasons that the Grucci #200, and #300's are only sold as an assortment now. __________________ Rudy Member in good standing of Double D's PPP club

June 16th, 2007, 07:07 PM	#10
pyro_casper_13 Supporting Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,191	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE The only way they will post a bad review is it you recommend another phantom item in the bad review. like this "this item isnt good at all i didnt like it i would rather much stick to the wolf pack shell" __________________ http://stores.ebay.com/CHICANO-TATTOO-ART

June 13th, 2007, 05:06 PM	#2
RPS Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WA Posts: 1,830	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE Yes, others have noted this as well, Phantom almost never posts anything less than a 4 star review. A couple times I've amused myself by looking for bad reviews, a couple 1 star reviews must have snuck through for these ones: http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=370 http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=322 __________________ My random fireworks blog: http://amnt.vox.com/

June 13th, 2007, 07:16 PM	#3
D1swfl Supporting Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: FL Posts: 412	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE Phantom may be a lot of things, but they are not stupid. They throw in a handful of not so great reviews so they will have something to fall back on if someone accuses them of never posting a negative comment. You can't honestly expect them to post many negative comments about the products they make a living on. That would be as senseless as naming a business "We'll Steal Your Cash Auto's" or "Taste Like Crap Ice Cream". I have very little use for Phantom, but I have to respect their business model and marketing methods.

June 16th, 2007, 08:22 PM	#11
RPS Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WA Posts: 1,830	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE I wonder if you could sneak something through by giving it a 5 star rating, then in the comments saying it sucks? __________________ My random fireworks blog: http://amnt.vox.com/

June 18th, 2007, 01:31 PM	#12
r1dermon Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: northeast Posts: 1,231	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE no, because i gave silver salutes a 5 star and then said that excals were better...never got posted...

June 18th, 2007, 06:25 PM	#13
pyro_casper_13 Supporting Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,191	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE If you say something is better, it has to be something they sell. __________________ http://stores.ebay.com/CHICANO-TATTOO-ART

June 18th, 2007, 07:29 PM	#14
Aric Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE Actually, I am agreeing here. Because after reviewing Silver Sonic Warheads with lowest rating nothing was posting.

June 18th, 2007, 08:36 PM	#16
kgb Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Beach Posts: 443	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE I noticed that Bob Weaver has a few reviews on Phantom's website. His reviews always start off with Outstanding!! I wonder if he's ever submitted any bad reviews.He probably has but the purple ghost squashed them. __________________ Yeah I'm addicted....you are too!!

June 18th, 2007, 09:20 PM	#17
RPS Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WA Posts: 1,830	Re: Phantom Reviews A JOKE Yeah, I trust his independent reviews, but when you work for somebody else, you can't exactly be honest... Too bad, because he knows his stuff. __________________ My random fireworks blog: http://amnt.vox.com/