Ridiculous Phantom Reviews

kool · August 24th, 2006, 12:39 PM

I'm not bashing Phantom (They do have great products), but some of their reviews are IMO Ridiculous. There is also a similar thread on the old forum.

Sixty Salutes Rockets
Phantom:http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=290
Pyro Review:http://www.pyroreview.com/showproduc...uct/249/cat/17

Battlefield Barrage
Phantom:http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=199
Pyro Review:http://www.pyroreview.com/showproduc...uct/167/cat/40

RudyG · August 24th, 2006, 12:52 PM

Kool, please remember that it is not Phantom's reviews but that of there customers. Many of those reviews are from young kids that don't really know what there talking about. Look at the words that the people use and you can usually tell there age and fireworks knowledge. Many have never shopped anywhere else but Phantom and have nothing to compare it too.

Red Lantern · August 24th, 2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kool

I'm not bashing Phantom (They do have great products), but some of their reviews are IMO Ridiculous. There is also a similar thread on the old forum.

Sixty Salutes Rockets
Phantom:http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=290
Pyro Review:http://www.pyroreview.com/showproduc...uct/249/cat/17

That peacock on those rockets are a dead give away they are crap. Can anyone here say they've ever had a decent Po-Sing/Peacock rocket?
They make some of the biggest rockets available, but besides having strong motors, all the breaks (if you can even call it that) suck.

Jessero · August 24th, 2006, 01:42 PM

I agree those reviews definitely cannot be trusted. I bet some of them are by phantom employees so no products seem completely sucky. I trust pyroreview and bob weavers fireworks a-z guides much more.

darink300zx · August 24th, 2006, 02:10 PM

I remember when I used to shop at Phantom I put up some bad reviews, but later when I went to look at them, they had been taken down, or never even been posted. So that told me that something was fishy about their "reviews".

Darin.

Dirichlet · August 24th, 2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by darink300zx

I remember when I used to shop at Phantom I put up some bad reviews, but later when I went to look at them, they had been taken down, or never even been posted. So that told me that something was fishy about their "reviews".

Darin.

I've had the same thing occur time and time again - all of my negative reviews (anything less than a 4, in fact) were never posted.

My friend had the same thing happen to him....
It would seem, my friends, that we have a pattern here.

vegasfire · August 24th, 2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessero

I agree those reviews definitely cannot be trusted. I bet some of them are by phantom employees so no products seem completely sucky. I trust pyroreview and bob weavers fireworks a-z guides much more.

Ain't it the truth! Stick with Bob's A-Z and pyroreview. I would even ask someone in the pyro community that I have dealt with about an item from the purple ghost before believing the hype on their website.

LOTS of sellers will tell you that their products are the best and lowest cost available, but you have to look at these claims wih a somewhat jaundiced eye, whether they are being made by King Zoldan or other "lords of the realm" !

Rocketman · August 25th, 2006, 01:30 AM

Well you don't think that Phantom, the biggest "scamers" in the world would tell you that the stuff they sell is way overpriced and of poor quality.

The worst is that I know this but still buy a few things from them

????

carp · August 25th, 2006, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darink300zx

I remember when I used to shop at Phantom I put up some bad reviews, but later when I went to look at them, they had been taken down, or never even been posted. So that told me that something was fishy about their "reviews".

Darin.

Ditto

**JoeRatman** · August 25th, 2006, 12:40 PM

Same thing with me. Whatever I added a review, it did not immediately go on the review list as I expected. When I came back at a later time, mine was never added. So I knew the reviews were being filtered. Possibly they were just being thrown in the "bit bucket" and they were only putting up the "select" reviews.

FLIPPER99ONE · August 25th, 2006, 07:51 PM

It's reads a little fishy

August 31st, 2006, 11:32 PM

you have to also remember, Phantom wont really let you give there products a low score, i tried to do that but they dont bother to post them.

Pyro Nut · October 12th, 2006, 09:01 AM

I also have commited a sin and shopped at Pantom before, but that was before I knew better, last year a total of only $300.00 and this, well, a few items I forgot to get for a total of $35.00.
I have posted some descent reviews on their site, before I knew better again, and some not so good reviews. Well, reading these posts, I went back to take alook and guess what? The bad posts are not there anymopre? HUM

...
Yes there is a pattern here ladies and gentlemen.......

bmoneyjones · October 16th, 2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro Nut in N.J.

I also have commited a sin and shopped at Pantom before, but that was before I knew better, last year a total of only $300.00 and this, well, a few items I forgot to get for a total of $35.00.
I have posted some descent reviews on their site, before I knew better again, and some not so good reviews. Well, reading these posts, I went back to take alook and guess what? The bad posts are not there anymopre? HUM

...
Yes there is a pattern here ladies and gentlemen.......

glad you have seen the light

Bad_Mojo · March 6th, 2007, 12:31 PM

I too have had poor reviews that were either never posted or were only up a very short time.

It's very sad, because the Phantom website - all things considered, is very nice. I'm a Phantom customer out of necessity, and I'm always interested in product reviews, especially of the 500 Gram repeaters and other 'expensive' products.

Like someone above me said, I look for reviews written by someone who sounds like they're graduated from the 8th grade. Many don't. What *really* grinds my gears are the reviews obviously written by kids talking about mishandling fireworks - "these are fun to put into soda cans.." stuff like that.

I try to be as descriptive and fair as possible on my reviews to help others, and wish more people did the same.

Maybe I'll send an e-mail to Phantom expressing my dismay, but in all honesty, I think they know quite well that the members of this forum are not their bread and butter.

The trick is convincing them that fair, honest reviews will actually help them in the long run. If you don't have the best prices - have the most credibility and integrity.

Pyrotude · March 6th, 2007, 02:06 PM

I've given Phantom products reviews that I likely wouldn't give now, or would change quite a bit. When I first moved to Indiana from California I didn't know anything about fireworks other than I liked them a lot. I was awfully easy to impress. OK, I still am. But I've seen that, for example, the Grand Finale assortment isn't really all you could possibly want for a good Fourth. It's not all kids, sometimes it's adults who've never been exposed to better fireworks. I think the Phantom customer is the person who thinks about fireworks for one day out of the year and doesn't do much if any comparison shopping. There's not a lot of motivation for them to worry about the accuracy of the reviews. Anyone who knows better already, well, knows better.

pyro kid · March 6th, 2007, 08:06 PM

I posted a review about the black cat 12 shot angle rack last year. It is not worth the money and the breaks are small and it never got posted on their website.

carp · March 7th, 2007, 07:38 AM

All lackluster reviews I've submitted on Phantom products never made it for viewing by the public. Tells ya alot.

August 24th, 2006, 12:39 PM	#1
kool Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 110	Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I'm not bashing Phantom (They do have great products), but some of their reviews are IMO Ridiculous. There is also a similar thread on the old forum. Sixty Salutes Rockets Phantom:http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=290 Pyro Review:http://www.pyroreview.com/showproduc...uct/249/cat/17 Battlefield Barrage Phantom:http://fireworks.com/fireworks_galle...ew.asp?pid=199 Pyro Review:http://www.pyroreview.com/showproduc...uct/167/cat/40

August 24th, 2006, 12:52 PM	#2
RudyG Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,916	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews Kool, please remember that it is not Phantom's reviews but that of there customers. Many of those reviews are from young kids that don't really know what there talking about. Look at the words that the people use and you can usually tell there age and fireworks knowledge. Many have never shopped anywhere else but Phantom and have nothing to compare it too. __________________ Rudy Member in good standing of Double D's PPP club

August 24th, 2006, 01:42 PM	#4
Jessero Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a state where fireworks are legal, near NY Posts: 69	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I agree those reviews definitely cannot be trusted. I bet some of them are by phantom employees so no products seem completely sucky. I trust pyroreview and bob weavers fireworks a-z guides much more. __________________ Aim: Jessero1

August 24th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#5
darink300zx Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 741	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I remember when I used to shop at Phantom I put up some bad reviews, but later when I went to look at them, they had been taken down, or never even been posted. So that told me that something was fishy about their "reviews". Darin. __________________ Famous last words of a redneck pyro "Hey ya'll watch this!" My gallery at pyroreview.com, go check it out: http://www.pyroreview.com/gallery/sh...t/500/ppuser/9

August 25th, 2006, 01:30 AM	#8
Rocketman Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North East Posts: 343	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews Well you don't think that Phantom, the biggest "scamers" in the world would tell you that the stuff they sell is way overpriced and of poor quality. The worst is that I know this but still buy a few things from them ????

August 25th, 2006, 12:40 PM	#10
JoeRatman Administrator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 6,588	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews Same thing with me. Whatever I added a review, it did not immediately go on the review list as I expected. When I came back at a later time, mine was never added. So I knew the reviews were being filtered. Possibly they were just being thrown in the "bit bucket" and they were only putting up the "select" reviews. __________________ PGII Certified Licensed MN Outdoor Fireworks Operator Licensed MN Indoor/Proximate Fireworks Operator

August 25th, 2006, 07:51 PM	#11
FLIPPER99ONE New Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES Posts: 4	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews It's reads a little fishy

August 31st, 2006, 11:32 PM	#12
pyro_casper_sgv Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews you have to also remember, Phantom wont really let you give there products a low score, i tried to do that but they dont bother to post them.

October 12th, 2006, 09:01 AM	#13
Pyro Nut Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere here and there Posts: 2,214	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I also have commited a sin and shopped at Pantom before, but that was before I knew better, last year a total of only $300.00 and this, well, a few items I forgot to get for a total of $35.00. I have posted some descent reviews on their site, before I knew better again, and some not so good reviews. Well, reading these posts, I went back to take alook and guess what? The bad posts are not there anymopre? HUM ... Yes there is a pattern here ladies and gentlemen....... __________________ It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress. Mark Twain *Proud member of P.G.I., PA Pyro Artists, NLPC and the N.F.A.*

March 6th, 2007, 12:31 PM	#15
Bad_Mojo Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 48	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I too have had poor reviews that were either never posted or were only up a very short time. It's very sad, because the Phantom website - all things considered, is very nice. I'm a Phantom customer out of necessity, and I'm always interested in product reviews, especially of the 500 Gram repeaters and other 'expensive' products. Like someone above me said, I look for reviews written by someone who sounds like they're graduated from the 8th grade. Many don't. What really grinds my gears are the reviews obviously written by kids talking about mishandling fireworks - "these are fun to put into soda cans.." stuff like that. I try to be as descriptive and fair as possible on my reviews to help others, and wish more people did the same. Maybe I'll send an e-mail to Phantom expressing my dismay, but in all honesty, I think they know quite well that the members of this forum are not their bread and butter. The trick is convincing them that fair, honest reviews will actually help them in the long run. If you don't have the best prices - have the most credibility and integrity.

March 6th, 2007, 02:06 PM	#16
Pyrotude Supporting Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 253	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I've given Phantom products reviews that I likely wouldn't give now, or would change quite a bit. When I first moved to Indiana from California I didn't know anything about fireworks other than I liked them a lot. I was awfully easy to impress. OK, I still am. But I've seen that, for example, the Grand Finale assortment isn't really all you could possibly want for a good Fourth. It's not all kids, sometimes it's adults who've never been exposed to better fireworks. I think the Phantom customer is the person who thinks about fireworks for one day out of the year and doesn't do much if any comparison shopping. There's not a lot of motivation for them to worry about the accuracy of the reviews. Anyone who knows better already, well, knows better.

March 6th, 2007, 08:06 PM	#17
pyro kid Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 60	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews I posted a review about the black cat 12 shot angle rack last year. It is not worth the money and the breaks are small and it never got posted on their website.

March 7th, 2007, 07:38 AM	#18
carp Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 472	Re: Ridiculous Phantom Reviews All lackluster reviews I've submitted on Phantom products never made it for viewing by the public. Tells ya alot.