New Jersey targets fireworks sold in Pennsylvania

[Will36]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...ewjersey#topix

[Pyro Nut]

Made a response to that article......

Oh, by the way, NJ will never win that political brew ha-ha with Pa.

[Dragon-Of-Earth]

what makes me angry is that there are things that kill more people in this world than fireworks, yet that's what they're concerned about. i swear this country is ONLY about gettn' rid of what they don't like. they aren't doing it for anything noble like "the children" or "the people" but rather because THEY can't stand the noise... well, i got news for them.. i CANNOT stand loud cars comming by my house...

and to top it all off they have to be blaring something that isn't music out there speakers (i speak of rap, hip-hop and r&b) i HATE that. so, should they have to get rid of everything that can be added onto a car to make it louder? IMO if fireworks can't be so loud then vehicles shouldn't be, either... nor should speakers, etc.

there are plenty of more dangerous things out there than fireworks. (such as guns, drugs and alcohol) and the fact is they kill thousands whil fireworks kill how man (anyone have stats on it?)

usually it's stupid people gettn' killed or people who are too young to have them... so what should we do about this? IMO punnish paretns for neglagently STORING fireworks where their kids could get them.. and if someone gets killed by fireworks because of a stupid mistake, say "well that's their fault" i got it (and i'm being deadly serious about this) LETS BAND STUPID PEOPLE..

this one guy i knew wanted parents to take a TEST to see if they were smart enough to have a child.. maybe we should start doing this. and if they fail. their child should be given to a family who is smart enough to take care of a child. may seem cruel, but i've seen too many things happen becuase of irresponcible and stupid people.

*end rant*

ahhhhhhh, i feel a little better now.

[JoeRatman]

Instead of trying to make PA change their laws, wouldn't it just be simpler for NJ to change their laws to be more fireworks friendly. Then they wouldn't have to deal with people crossing the border to get fireworks. And they might even have firework stores pop up in NJ. Just think of the tax revenue they would get if NJ people bought fireworks in NJ instead of PA.

[Big No No]

Instead of trying to make PA change their laws, wouldn't it just be simpler for NJ to change their laws to be more fireworks friendly. Then they wouldn't have to deal with people crossing the border to get fireworks. And they might even have firework stores pop up in NJ. Just think of the tax revenue they would get if NJ people bought fireworks in NJ instead of PA.

That's what is happening in Michigan right now. For the next month you see the cars heading south riding high and headed north riding low. The state lawmakers want in on the action. It will make it better for the law abiding citizens that become crimanals once a year. It will make it better for the law enforcement that have more important calls that need to be answered. It will be better for fire and rescue that will get some additional funding as a result. It may also help states like Ohio and Pennsylvania to change their laws since right now they sell to people from other states where fireworks are illegal and they don't care as long as you are leaving their state with them. If they start to lose revenue from these other states they might have to break down and start selling to their own residents.

[mb]

As much as I dislike newsday I will give them credit this is the first time I can remember where they actually mentioned (however briefly) the permits pa citizens can get to shoot. Usually the ny media states that it is illegal for pa citizens to buy implying hypocrisy.

[Pyro Nut]

Instead of trying to make PA change their laws, wouldn't it just be simpler for NJ to change their laws to be more fireworks friendly. Then they wouldn't have to deal with people crossing the border to get fireworks. And they might even have firework stores pop up in NJ. Just think of the tax revenue they would get if NJ people bought fireworks in NJ instead of PA.

Thank-you,

Those are my thoughts exactly............

[sgreen3827]

I personally would love it if PA's response the New Jerseys complaint was to legalize all Fireworks in PA...then New Jersey couldn't lean on the reasoning that PA won't allow sales to it's own residents. May not happen but I could see that happening before PA would let another State dictate and bully them into making law changes.

[Ski]

N.J. should pass the same type law as Pa., allow out of state people to purchase. Then all the Pa. folks can purchase in N.J.

Or both states could just grow up and allow sales to everyone!

[URBNFLX]

what makes me angry is that there are things that kill more people in this world than fireworks, yet that's what they're concerned about. i swear this country is ONLY about gettn' rid of what they don't like. they aren't doing it for anything noble like "the children" or "the people" but rather because THEY can't stand the noise... well, i got news for them.. i CANNOT stand loud cars comming by my house...

and to top it all off they have to be blaring something that isn't music out there speakers (i speak of rap, hip-hop and r&b) i HATE that. so, should they have to get rid of everything that can be added onto a car to make it louder? IMO if fireworks can't be so loud then vehicles shouldn't be, either... nor should speakers, etc.

there are plenty of more dangerous things out there than fireworks. (such as guns, drugs and alcohol) and the fact is they kill thousands whil fireworks kill how man (anyone have stats on it?)

usually it's stupid people gettn' killed or people who are too young to have them... so what should we do about this? IMO punnish paretns for neglagently STORING fireworks where their kids could get them.. and if someone gets killed by fireworks because of a stupid mistake, say "well that's their fault" i got it (and i'm being deadly serious about this) LETS BAND STUPID PEOPLE..

this one guy i knew wanted parents to take a TEST to see if they were smart enough to have a child.. maybe we should start doing this. and if they fail. their child should be given to a family who is smart enough to take care of a child. may seem cruel, but i've seen too many things happen becuase of irresponcible and stupid people.

*end rant*

ahhhhhhh, i feel a little better now.

Ok, first off, it seems that they are not banning items that they just do not like… Politicians are out to get rid of any item that could be used against them. Any weapon or composition of chemicals that can be used as a diversionary tactic or a downright deterrent (explosion) they are going to want to ban. They say that it will be “for the children”, but everyone knows that they are just trying to cover their own butts when it comes to an uprising of the people.

Loud cars, speakers, etc. Do not pose a threat to them although, many politicians that are older do not like loud noises either so they have made it their pet peeve to go after those items of interest as well. They try to ban loudspeakers and different mufflers etc.

As far as the item that are far more dangerous than fireworks. All of the mentioned items (guns, alcohol, and drugs) are not any more or less dangerous than fireworks when used in an appropriate manner. Guns in fact have a far better record than alcohol simply because people cannot control themselves. Should we ban alcohol? I do not think so.

Should we make parents responsible for their children? Sure. Parent’s of today do not discipline their children like our parents did and their parents did before that. Once again, politicians have to stick their nose into that as well, they created laws stating that you cannot hit your children and have created child protective services, not to mention the CPSC, both of which are a total waste of our tax dollars.

As far as the banning of stupid people, I would say that natural selection would take care of them eventually. Testing people to see if they are smarter than others are just seems like a bad idea.

As free American’s we used to enjoy many more liberties than we do today. The amount of government interaction in our daily lives has increased dramatically over the past fifty years with the birth of new technologies such as video surveillance and wireless communication. The more items that the politicians get laws to govern over the more they feel safe to do whatever may be next on their agenda. If this kind of action continues, this country will eventually turn into a socialist dictatorship.

As far as this subject goes, I belive that fireworks should be legal everywhere and that both of the states need to change their laws to become more firework friendly.

[kevinberry13G]

LETS BAND STUPID PEOPLE..

Or let's chalk up more accidents to social Darwinism at work

I honestly believe the more government institutes measures to protect people from themselves, the more diluted the American gene pool becomes...

[striker4015]

why dont we just ban driving & walking down the street while we are at it....sickening!

[PyroZ]

N.J. should pass the same type law as Pa., allow out of state people to purchase. Then all the Pa. folks can purchase in N.J.

There was a discussion of NJ's pressure on PA over fireworks for an hour today on one of the Jersey radio stations. The hosts of the show were pro-fireworks and were complaining how its bad enough that NJ bans them but then wants to extend their influence outside the state to bully PA. One concept being floated by NJ legislators was pressuring PA to specifcally not allow sales to people with NJ driver's licenses. PA isn't about to do that.

Your very concept was also put forth by one of the show hosts. In general the theme was a refreshing one to actually hear voiced in such a grand forum. Basically summing up how stupid it was for NJ to get into PA's business. The point was also made about how tax hungry NJ could clean up if they just allowed sales in state.

I had hoped to call into the show to inject some pro-fireworks facts but alas was too late, Some informative callers did make it through though. I don't recall hearing one anti-fireworks person.

[jokerman]

Just curious, was it the Jersey Guys? They seem to do a good job at tackling issues that are not politically correct. Whoever they are, I am grateful that they are starting a public discussion about this.

[Carmenuchi7]

Just curious, was it the Jersey Guys? They seem to do a good job at tackling issues that are not politically correct. Whoever they are, I am grateful that they are starting a public discussion about this.

I was wondering that too. I listen to them sometimes and they are very good. Wish I had heard it if it was them. Heck, wish I'd have heard it whoever it was.
Great to hear no anti-talk.

[1776]

Jersey's problem, and NY as well, is not Pennsylvania. PA has been selling fireworks legally for YEARS, way before the out of state companies came in. The firework enthusiast from those states have traveled not just to PA for their 'works but also to Ohio, and New Hampshire, and of course down south. Pennsylvania had a window open for out of staters, now the doors are open.
Years ago Missouri had tents on the borders of states like Kansas, because fireworks WERE illegal to those residents. Kansas is now a fireworks friendly state.
Getting to the article written: Journalist have an obligation to report the truth, not just one side. 5 states currently ban fireworks, not 14 as mentioned in the article. And Pennsylvanians can purchase fireworks, fountains and novelties with out any hassle, and the "good ones" with a permit.

[mytime]

NJ should start looking in their own backyard. There are companies in NJ right now selling to out of state residents with an out of state drivers license including NY residents.

[NJTony]

I already spoke at lenght in the laws & politics section on this very subject a few days ago. I fired off an email to rep baroni who was doing alot of the talking in the article I read. I point out several Factual errors commited by the newspaper and himself in the article. Still waiting for a reply.
T

[Dragon-Of-Earth]

"Should we ban alcohol? I do not think so."

i think we should ban it... i don't believe a majority of americans are responcible enough to handle it. from what i see on TV and in my personal life leads me to think this. and the penalty for drinking it, selling it and making it should be 15 lashings.... i'm just so sick of people who don't drink/arne't drinking paying the price for others' mistakes/irresponcibility.

[jknepp1954]

Jersey's problem, and NY as well, is not Pennsylvania. PA has been selling fireworks legally for YEARS, way before the out of state companies came in. The firework enthusiast from those states have traveled not just to PA for their 'works but also to Ohio, and New Hampshire, and of course down south. Pennsylvania had a window open for out of staters, now the doors are open........And Pennsylvanians can purchase fireworks, fountains and novelties with out any hassle, and the "good ones" with a permit.

Exactly! Pa. companies has been selling to NJ and NY and the whole NE US for years! The law was set forth in 1939 about the permits and stuff. It is just the language in it was somewhat vague and open for interpration. many court cases were slung out there to decide who was right and who was wrong. one of the more recent court cases was taken to the fact of what is called "shipped out of state" in a case from Erie, Pa. in the early 90's. I read the court case and i still think the guy was set up and got screwed! but that isn't how the courts decided.
Kellners, North East, Phantom in Warfordburg, Us at Kneppy's, Lotus near Harrisburg, Mess's and others has done legal sales to non residents for years! Probably Kellners is the oldest in Pa.
But the wording "shipped out of state" has always been a controversial issue. Now that the law says in plain English, black and white that non-residents can now buy fireworks when they provide proof of non-residency and they "take it out of state" now everyone wants a piece of the action! Us older companies who did this in the past before new law of 2004 did this for nothing as far as paying high license fees etc.
So why has NY and NJ lurking in these honest business folks parking lots and busting everyones chops?? They always have done spot checks across GW bridge and other main highways!
Still makes me mad - if i had a business on the Jersey border, i would be spitting nails!
Joyce
PS - there i had my rant for the day.

[PyroZ]

Just curious, was it the Jersey Guys?

Yes it was. In the 4 o'clock hour Friday. I was a little leery to hear Craig's take on things since he can be rather vocal. If he had taken an anti-fireworks stance I would have been unhappy.

I wish he could get the ear of NJ legislators, but as a person who was censured by the NJ legislature, among other things, they'd be the last to listen to his ideas. That is unless there was more obvious pro-fireworks support from the average voting Jerseyan.

[LoKo498]

NJ targets fireworks sold in Pa... yea but then why is there a huge billboard sign on the NJ turnpike right past the EZ Pass toll on the southbound side by exit 16 I believe. By the way, the sign is for SKYKING FIREWORKS!!! (1st exit off rt 78 into Pa)

[Pyro Nut]

I already spoke at lenght in the laws & politics section on this very subject a few days ago. I fired off an email to rep baroni who was doing alot of the talking in the article I read. I point out several Factual errors commited by the newspaper and himself in the article. Still waiting for a reply.
T

Your going to be holding your breath before you get a response from him. Trust me, they don't respond top their typos or misleading information that is posted in news articles. Unfortunetly, you can argue all you want, they firmly believe ( in their own minds ) that they are 100% correct.

Voting them out of office might be our only way to get something going here.
"Out with the old, In with the new."

PS,
I sent you an email........

[teacher79]

exactly- they need yellow stars to pack in their own yellow journalism tubes

[jknepp1954]

I already spoke at lenght in the laws & politics section on this very subject a few days ago. I fired off an email to rep baroni who was doing alot of the talking in the article I read. I point out several Factual errors commited by the newspaper and himself in the article. Still waiting for a reply.
T

Bump
Just an update I thought intesting - Baroni is no longer rep. He is now Sen. elect -

Assemblyman Bill Baroni won in his bid for the Senate seat that opened up because of the retirement of Senator Peter Inverson. Baroni won by 11,000 plus votes.

This was from an emial I received this week form one of our Harrisburg contacts.
Joyce

[Pyro1277]

NJ politicans are too stupid to see ANYTHING from a half way intelligent angle. They are too busy putting tax payers monies in their own pockets