I built 4 racks today for 200g, using liquid nails. I noted that the plastic to which the glue was applied still left a little "wiggle" room. Should I remove the plastic??? I also duct taped by they are still a little loose due to the plastic on the bottom.
I know, I know, DUH:eek:
RPS
June 8th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Yes, any paper or plastic on the bottom needs to be removed before you glue, or or won't really be holding anything solid. The glue needs to be on the cake itself (either the wood/cardboard base, or the tubes themselve, if there is no base), not the wrapper.
Duct tape on the sides of the cake is ok being on the wrapper, but any of that thin plastic wrapping needs to be peeled off before taping.
i'd recomend getting down to the actuall tubes and clay for a gluing surface.
it's what will be shooting so why not glue it instead of that thin wood panell on the bottom.
slide an x-acto around the edges and that thin piece of wood will basicly fall off the bottom. now draw out a nice zig zag of LN onto the wood board, set the cake down and twist it around in place to spread that glue around.
once it's set (about 24 hours) the wood you are gluing to and the tubes are now one...rather than the paper, plastic, or wood veneer on the bottom.
just be carefull not to cut through any internal fusing of the cake, and not to get any of the glue on the fusing, especially if it's water based...it could ruin it. thats why i always glue the wood, then place the cake onto the glue...less chance of the glue running down into the cake as you're flipping it around.
danmagicman
June 9th, 2007, 06:17 PM
i'd recomend getting down to the actuall tubes and clay for a gluing surface.
it's what will be shooting so why not glue it instead of that thin wood panell on the bottom.
slide an x-acto around the edges and that thin piece of wood will basicly fall off the bottom. now draw out a nice zig zag of LN onto the wood board, set the cake down and twist it around in place to spread that glue around.
once it's set (about 24 hours) the wood you are gluing to and the tubes are now one...rather than the paper, plastic, or wood veneer on the bottom.
just be carefull not to cut through any internal fusing of the cake, and not to get any of the glue on the fusing, especially if it's water based...it could ruin it. thats why i always glue the wood, then place the cake onto the glue...less chance of the glue running down into the cake as you're flipping it around.
St1, I find that gluing to the wood on the bottom of the cakes is just fine. Anything after that and I don't think it's worth the effort. I mean, my cakes aren't going anywhere and I glued straight to the wood.
Also, if you can get the "Quik Grab" Liquid Nails, it sets much faster (about 5-10 minutes) and at about 30 minutes to an hour the stuff is almost completely dry and probably ready to start shooting. After about 30 minutes all of my cakes were not moving after strong tugs and pulls on them.
kgb
June 9th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Alot of people use Liquid Nails and seem to like it which is cool.
I like this stuff it sets fast and produces a real strong bond.
I've got some angled cake boards this year and I'm confident that those cakes that are angled aren't gonna budge one bit.
Tip- Whatever glue you choose to use,spread a generous amount of it for each cake don't just use a small squirt for each one.
InOuterSpace
June 10th, 2007, 12:08 AM
I agree with kgb, you can get a gallon of decent wood glue for 15 -20$.
I almost broke a toe trying to kick off some cakes from my boards last year. Wood glue has worked great for me from the past several years!!
Chris
Alot of people use Liquid Nails and seem to like it which is cool.
I like this stuff it sets fast and produces a real strong bond.
I've got some angled cake boards this year and I'm confident that those cakes that are angled aren't gonna budge one bit.
Tip- Whatever glue you choose to use,spread a generous amount of it for each cake don't just use a small squirt for each one.
St1dinoh
June 10th, 2007, 02:50 PM
St1, I find that gluing to the wood on the bottom of the cakes is just fine. Anything after that and I don't think it's worth the effort. I mean, my cakes aren't going anywhere and I glued straight to the wood.
Also, if you can get the "Quik Grab" Liquid Nails, it sets much faster (about 5-10 minutes) and at about 30 minutes to an hour the stuff is almost completely dry and probably ready to start shooting. After about 30 minutes all of my cakes were not moving after strong tugs and pulls on them.
completely depends on the cake you are talking about.
some cakes have a good solid piece of wood under them, many cakes have what ammounts to a thick veneer pannel. very weak, and prone to pulling away from the cake. then you're left with a tightly bonded thin piece of wood stuck to the board, and a 500 gram cake shooting at people. if you have to work hard to get the wood off the bottom, then there's no need to, but if it's a paper thin layer of wood, get rid of it and glue to the tubes...much safer.
obvioulsy you can glue NOAB's and things of that nature to a board...but in thoes cases i screw them down anyway.
akmojo73
June 10th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Well, since were on the glue,Liquid Nails, subject, I Like to reuse my Boards, How do YOU remove this Mess? I now am putting em' at angles and have must secure cakes, and wanna still be able to remove the harden glumps any suggestions, Sorry to crash this thread.
St1dinoh
June 10th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Well, since were on the glue,Liquid Nails, subject, I Like to reuse my Boards, How do YOU remove this Mess? I now am putting em' at angles and have must secure cakes, and wanna still be able to remove the harden glumps any suggestions, Sorry to crash this thread.
If you use Silicone adhesive then a 6" drywall taping knife works well. Im starting to lean more to using less silicone and more duct tape.
akmojo73
June 10th, 2007, 04:48 PM
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/prodimg/ee/reg/EE-GS580-21XX.gif That's interesting what is it? I'm sure a little Liquid chem would help too:) Serious what is it? When I moved here I did not know what a gigger was lol.
bubbalina
June 10th, 2007, 05:25 PM
Here is a question---if shooting off concrete or a driveway, is it a must to secure 500g cakes? Ive secured my 200g cakes, but those 500g are pretty heavy, and I have a hard time seeing them going anywhere. If I was shooting off of a board on grass, I definately would, but Im wondering specificaly about shooting off of boards on a driveway.
kgb
June 10th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Im wondering specificaly about shooting off of boards on a driveway.
Be careful dude.It sounds like your shooting alot of stuff from your driveway which is probably pretty close to your house.You should be a minimum of 150ft from any structure when shooting fireworks (1.4).
Every now and then cakes will malfunction and you'll have a blowout and the rest of the tubes in the cake will no longer be in an upright position.The last thing anybody would want is a shell or cake insert firing towards their house.Imagine A shell breaking through a window and landing on the carpet in one of the rooms causing an instant fire in the house :eek:
RPS
June 10th, 2007, 07:28 PM
All cakes are (theoretically) designed to stand up just fine as long as fired from a hard flat surface like concrete. I've never seen a 500g that felt unstable, so you don't really need to attach them to anything unless something feels especially wobbly. 200g are different, and while they should stand up just fine, I like to tape them in pairs for extra stability, I'm usually not shooting less than two at once anyway.